Latham Thomas: How To Prioritize Play & Self-Care

Latham Thomas: How To Prioritize Play & Self-Care

In this episode of MarieTV we do have some
adult language, so if you have little ones around, grab your headphones now. Hey, there, and welcome to the Marie Forleo
Podcast. My guest today is my dear friend, Latham Thomas. And if you’ve never met her before, let
me tell you a little bit about her. Latham is a celebrity wellness and lifestyle
guru and birth doula who is named one of Oprah’s Super Soul 100 and one of Mind Body Green’s
Top 100 Women to Watch in Wellness. She’s the founder of Mama Glow and has been
featured in Vogue, Self, Fast Company, Wall Street Journal Magazine, Essence, and Fit
Pregnancy, among others. She’s the proud mother of DJ Fulano and
she lives in New York City. And her latest new book, Own Your Glow: A
Soulful Guide to Luminous Living and Crowning the Queen Within, is available now. Latham Thomas, welcome, welcome, welcome to
the Marie Forleo Podcast. So good to have you on, woman. Marie, I’m so grateful to be here. What an honor. Well, this new book, Own Your Glow: A Soulful
Guide to Luminous Living, this is fantastic. I want to start off with, why this book and
this message right now? What was the inspiration for this one? The inspiration for this book really came
from what I saw as a need for women to embrace self-care, to slow down. I think that there’s a force that women
move with around like, doing too much, and I think that you can achieve more by slowing
down and being more intentional and embracing some of the feminine forces that help us to
actually create. So I set out to write the book that sort of
helps me with the principles that I use in my own life so that other people could do
that themselves. I love it, and I will admit wholeheartedly
that I do battle with those same forces every single day. You know, I think part of my DNA – you and
I have known each other for years now. Part of my DNA, man, I am so wired as a doer
and I will tell you, my own growth edge is slipping into that feminine side. You know, it’s something that I’m very
transparent about. It’s like one of my life lessons. So I really appreciate that you’ve written
this book. Because, I will tell you, my mind certainly
throws up some big old obstacles and stop signs and skepticism when it comes to, “Wait,
wait, wait … Slow down to get more done?” Right!But I will tell you, I will tell you,
when I do that and when I’m wise enough to either listen to that own inner voice or
sometimes, frankly, it’s Josh who gets my ass to slow down. That’s right. A lot of good things happen. So thank you. I just want to thank you for writing this
and for continuing to support a message that is counter to the cultural narrative of “nonstop
24/7, 365 work your eyeballs off.” That’s right. I mean, we – I mean, everyone’s doing that. Everyone’s, you know, moving towards achievement. But if we think about like how we get there
and at what cost, you know, most of us are like tired or get sick or, you know, we don’t
have other areas of our life that we want fulfilment. They’re not really fleshed out because we’re
focusing all of our energy on productivity instead of process really. Right? So it’s just an invitation for people to
look at how they can explore how to really enjoy the process more and always check in. Because I think even as business owners and
people who are, you know, moving towards entrepreneurship, you have to constantly check in and pivot
and make decisions and change your mind and, you know, fail and then get back up. There’s so many things you have to do along
the journey, but you check in as much as possible. And I think that that’s a really important
thing that I’m asking people to do in this book. Well, you said something that is key that
many of us miss, and I do my best to remember it. Don’t always – I’m not always successful,
but I am definitely getting better at it with age, I’ll tell you that – is, you mentioned
the word process. And one of the things that has come to me
recently is that it’s actually all process. Yup. All of life is process. There is no destination really. Like if you step back and understand the unfolding
of your business or your relationships or your motherhood or your creations, it is all
process. So the tools that you’re giving us in this
book, and we’re gonna get into some of that in a few minutes, really help us just embrace
a more holistic approach, which then makes the process that much more enjoyable. And from my own experience, tends to lead
to much better outcomes. And even if it doesn’t, dammit, you had a
good time along the way. That’s right. So let me – let’s go in with one of the
points you make about the importance of giving dreams their due. As a single mom, you know this. Right? You know what it feels like to be stretched
to the max, so to speak, which I know is a feeling that many folks in our audiences,
whether they’re a single mom or a single dad or a coupled parent or they have no kids. Feeling stretched to the max is something
that I think many of us can relate to. But as you share in the book, dreams are free. Talk to us about the value of making time
for our dreams, especially when our lives feel so incredibly full. Yeah. So I think, you know, I’m really grateful
that I have an incredible partner who supports me and my son and who is with my son right
now, in fact. I was a single mom for many years and I think
a lot of people will come up with reasons why they can’t seek fulfilment or really
seek to approach their dreams with persistence because of perceived obstacles like having
a child or having a child alone. And, you know, for me, I think that when you
have something that takes up so much space in your life, not just mental space, emotional,
like you have to design your life around taking care of someone else, and not to mention making
sure that they have food to eat and tuition is paid. Like, all these things. Right? There’s a pressure that is put upon you
that you have to step up into. And so you rise to the occasion. I think that, you know, the 24 hours in a
day that everyone gets, you learn how to bend time. And I think that if there’s maybe a willingness
to succeed in any particular endeavor, then you figure it out. So it’s not like I had like a rubric and
I was like, “Okay, here’s what I do now at this step,” I just had like the looming
sense of, you know, impending failure or, you know, like I couldn’t not succeed. I didn’t have a choice. It wasn’t really like there was an alternative
except for to just do. So I think that for each person when you’re
looking at like “what is my life gonna look like with this child or what is my life gonna
look like with, you know, taking care of a sick parent, or what is my life gonna look
like, you know, leaving my job?” Like, you can’t – you can’t imagine
what it’ll be like until you’re actually in it. But then when you’re in it, you have these
like downloads and these nuggets of wisdom that come. And you actually figure out with ingenuity
how to solve problems. So you actually need that to – it’s like
iron sharpens iron. So you kind of need these tests to help you
get over the edge, otherwise sometimes you’re not stretched to the point where you can have
moments of brilliance. So I really think that it was because of the
circumstances of, you know, being a single mom that I had way sharper ingenuity, I had
way better problem solving skills, I could juggle way more because there was less time
to work with. It’s almost like when you’re in the kitchen
and your refrigerator is full of food, you can’t figure out what to eat. And when you only have like five things you
can come up with a masterpiece. It’s like sometimes that’s what you need
to grow. Right? So how about dreams? Yeah, let’s talk about dreams though. The value of making time for that. Let’s say someone listening right now is
feeling that stretch to the max for whatever reason. Why should they carve out time to dream? Yeah. So, you know, the dreams are like the blueprint
for what’s possible. If you settle in the reality of what your
experience is right now today, and whatever that is circumstantially for you, and you
don’t create space to open up your consciousness around what could be possible. And even things that may be beyond your reach
are necessary to have as part of a landscape and a topography of what your life could become. So the dreams are really important because
they’re the soil that fuels the purpose of your soul, really. So the making the time includes not just sleeping
so that you can have actual like, you know, dreams while you’re resting. So subconscious dreaming, but there’s also
like waking dreams that you have when you’re like daydreaming or when you’re doodling
or when you’re meditating, when you have – when you allow yourself to play, you have
moments of brilliance and maybe problem solving. So it’s not just like “let me write down
a whole bunch of goals.” That’s not really what it is. It’s more like let me make space for brilliance
to come forth so that I can also, you know, pivot in my life the way I need to. But sometimes you can’t be just like writing
down lists. Sometimes it has to be freeing yourself from
the cognitive function of doing something and rather being involved in something that
takes your mind out of your day to day life and allows you to have more expansive thought
and more expansive ideas. Yes. Yeah. So I think whatever that feels like for you,
if there’s things that you really love to do that you’re not doing enough of in terms
of activities, social, you know, events that you could be going to, things that you’re
afraid to do like, you know, if you’re afraid of heights, doing something that takes you
out of your safety net. That kind of stuff is really important to
help us see something bigger. So it’s about an experiential, full existence. Right? Yes. And that’s what I think we really need to
call ourselves to do more of. Because if we look at like just what’s right
ahead of you, like a deadline and bills and all these things, that can really hamper your
ability to see beyond. I agree 100%. And I’m telling you, Latham, we are so connected
intuitively. Because I’m looking at my questions, which
you don’t know what I’m gonna ask you. And also you picked up on something I’ll
mention which I haven’t really told anyone. So I’ll go right to it. This plays perfectly into the power of playfulness. And I will say, while I was a bit hard on
myself in the beginning saying “I can be a doer,” again, you know that about me,
I’ll give myself a pat on the back and brag. I am really f**king good at play. Like, play… You are good at play. Play is a thing that is so just inherent to
my life. And just to back up your point, when I play,
whether that means dancing or literally playing a game – it could be a card game, it could
be kickball, it could be, you know, playing with a puzzle, it could be playing in any
way like doing silly voices and sounds and hide and seek kind of things or playing with
Kuma, my dog. It’s amazing how many ideas and breakthroughs
and solutions appear from a piece of my consciousness that is simply not accessible when I am focused
in a more cognitive, “get it done,” trying to access my wisdom kind of way. That’s right. Yeah. I mean, for good reason. Right? Like, when your brain is on and like you’re
trying to get things done, it takes an enormous amount of energy to stay focused on that thing
because your brain is doing a gazillion things at once. Every – I mean, every second there’s 800
trillion things happening in your body. So it’s like, yes. Your brain would want to focus on that one
thing. But play is so amazing because when we think
about when we were children, that was like the framework for our existence, what we could
imagine. Right? And so if we think about play for adults,
it also allows us to bring back in imagination, bring back in limitlessness. Right? When you start to actually have what I think
is a really healthy dose of naivete that comes in, especially for people who are on the path
to start something new, it’s really important to not have like a ceiling on what’s possible
for you, because you might not even try to achieve that goal or really see the edges
of what that dream could look like for you and expand if you feel like there’s a limit. Right? So I think that that’s what also dream and
play offers. And it also allows you to do things that,
you know, are silly and like allow you to relax and not take things so seriously. And in that, you know, that energy of ease
that you slip into when you’re playing, like you said, these little nuggets of, you
know, wisdom come through or solution or an idea or an ah-ha. So it is like when we kind of finally relax
in our body and in our mind where we allow ourself to have these moments. And so you do have to create space for that
because it’s quite simply really easy to fall into just being on a hamster wheel. Yes. And I love the quote in your book, one of
my favorite quotes. George Bernard Shaw when he says “we don’t
stop playing when we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing.” And for anyone listening right now who might
be going, “Wow!” Looking at their birthdays, looking at that
calendar and going, “How did this happen? How did I get here?” I will say, Latham, again, you and I have
known each other for quite some time. I think one of the secrets to feeling your
best in your body and really liking who you are as a human and continuing to evolve and
love your life, especially as we advance in age, is play. And I love one of the things you recommend
in the book, is that you have to plan for play. I’m curious, how does that show up for you
in your life? I plan for play like daily. So for me it’s, you know, I talk a lot about
self care and glow time, as I call it, which is just an opportunity for you to return home
to yourself and check in and really moment to moment understand what it is you might
need. And so sometimes that’s, you know, a game
of ping pong in the office or it’s going for a run or playing tag or bike riding and
maybe racing my son on the bikes. Whatever it is, for me it’s something that
I just – it’s like ingrained. Like, okay, here’s a time that between this
meeting and this meeting there’s a really nice break. Here’s what I’m gonna do. Right? So I just kind of – because my days sometimes
are very full, what makes it really easy for me to sustain myself is punctuating the day
with play. So I think that for people who have to interface
with other human beings consistently or who have to run around or whatever it is that
you have to do, a lot of energy expenditure goes into pouring into other people. So for me, a way to kinda keep myself light
and almost like hit control, alt, delete and reboot myself is to have play. So it really depends on where I am. So right now I’m out of town. And when I go to different cities I find out
what I can do in that city. So in LA as soon as I get off a plane the
first thing I do is drop my bags, I go right on the beach on a bike. And then I call a friend who meets me for
a bike ride. And then I go get juice or whatever it is. But I make sure that I kinda get tether wherever
I am. And even if I’m at home, again, like I don’t
sit at the computer all day. I’m gonna get up, go stretch, go run outside,
you know, maybe go play with like somebody’s dog, one of my neighbors, I’ll walk their
dog. Little things that just kinda make me reconnect
with life. So it can be whatever, you know, for people. It doesn’t have to be a board game, although
those are fun too. But it can just be something that makes you
feel playful and light. Love it. And you know, for anyone listening going,
“Oh, I ain’t got the time for play, ladies. I do not have it. Can’t find it.” One of the other things you talk about in
the book, which you and I are both huge fans of, is this power of pruning. We actually did this MarieTV episode, I don’t
know if you saw it, Latham. Where we did a dance called the purge and
prune. I love it, yes. And in your book you talk about seeing your
life as a garden and you want to see every living thing as supporting the cultivation
of your best self. Or it’s strangling all the goodness that’s
thriving in your life. So I know for me, I am constantly pruning. I am constantly editing down. I have a visceral reaction – this is true
– to too many things, too much clutter, too much whatever. It starts to fry my circuits. So let’s talk about some examples of cultivation
and strangulation. Oh, yes. I love that. Well, you know, cultivation I think can really
be supported by a community, for instance. So if you’re someone who’s looking for
– and I know a lot of people who are here listening are part of the Marie Forleo community,
so coming to a space like that might feel really fulfilling. Right? It might help you to grow yourself. It’s like watering the, you know, the seeds. And then think about, for instance, maybe
you have a friend in your life who is more negative or always – you’ll say something
that you’re excited about and then they come and and they have like some negative
forecasting or, “Oh, you shouldn’t do that because of this.” Like layering their stuff onto you. And then when you hang up the phone you’re
like, “I need a yoga class.” Right? That is something that you feel like, I need
less of that in my life. Well, you’ve got to listen to these kind
of signals. Right? And so I think it’s always about, you know,
trimming the fat, weeding the garden. You’ve got to look at what helps sustain
you and what starts to deplete you. What’s inspiring you and what’s tiring
you. And it’s really simple. Like, you don’t have to – it’s not rocket
science. Kids do it all the time. They’re like “that person’s mean, I’m
not playing with them.” Right? We just started to, oh, you make up excuses
for why you have to do something instead of really listening to the wisdom of your body
that’s also very clear about what it is that supports you. And like Marie always says, it’s a hell
yes or it’s a hell no. That’s super simple. It’s not rocket science. I think that people have to start to instead
of trying to talk their way into doing things. Like, if you have to have a consortium about
something, the answer is no. You should be able to know right away, like
this feels really good. I want to pursue it. This doesn’t feel good anymore. I need to find a way to get this off my plate. And so I think that that constant checking
in and constant engagement with the process allows us an opportunity to check in and say
“I need to trim the fat over here. Or, you know what? This needs to go. Or I need more of this.” So if we are engaged in the process, we can
do that. If we’re so focused on like what’s on
the other side, we’re not really paying attention to what’s happening. So then we can get sick along the journey
or things start to fall apart and we’re making excuses for why we’re still here
or what’s going on and we’re not really seeing that we might be at the root of the
problem. So there’s a lot of things that happen as
a result of us not paying attention. So when we pour our intention into paying
attention, then that means paying attention to what we – what’s going on with us moment
to moment, but also what’s happening in the ambient landscape that we’re deeply
connected to and a part of. And the landscape of our business, and in
everything that supports us. That we have to constantly be dancing in those
spaces to understand like the health and well being of everything that we touch. So that’s part – that’s how you tend
the garden. Right? You’re looking at the health and wellbeing
of every single thing that’s there. Some things like to grow together, like nightshades
love each other. They love to grow together. They do not like to hang around leafy, green
vegetables. Cool. You’ve gotta know. Right? Like where to put things in your life. Right? So you’ve got to know when the weeds come
in because you took a vacation for two weeks, didn’t have nobody that you delegated to and
then you come back. You’re like, “What happened?” It’s like so all these things requires our
attention. You can’t ever turn your head and then come
back and be like, “Oh, well, it’s not my fault. Right?” So we have to be responsible in our lives
in every aspect. And so this reclaiming of responsibility and
ownership, I call it glownership over our lives, is an opportunity for us to really
step more into our power. Because you know what’s going on in your
own garden. Right? Versus someone else telling you, well, this
is what’s happening here. Why do you need somebody else to tell you
your business? Yes. No, I love it. And some things that you hit on that I just
want to emphasize and underline and underscore for anyone listening, is the wisdom of the
body. You know, when you’re in the moment and
you’re paying attention to what needs to be cultivated or built up or added more of in
your garden versus what needs to be weeded out because it’s strangling all the goodness
and the life out of yourself and the other plants around you. Trusting your body’s wisdom, I feel like
our minds can sometimes lead us astray. There’s so much logic and wanting to be
a people pleaser and not wanting to hurt anyone, and like all of these different negotiations
that can happen in the conversation between our ears where our bodies, if you’re there
and you are brave enough to feel it, will give you an instant answer. And that’s what’s exciting about all the
tools that you talk about in Own Your Glow. I love it, because it gives us so many different
access points to come into this way of being so that for any of us who tend to drive really
hard, work really hard, you know, put in 14, 18 hour days, go at it, again, I raise my
hand. That is something I do. But this gives us an opportunity to balance
and flex those feminine qualities that can help take us to a whole other level of not
just success, because that’s a bit scientific. What’s really great is having this rich,
fulfilling, meaningful life. Because all of the success in the world doesn’t
mean nothing if you’re miserable or you’re sick or you’ve got nobody around you. I want to move onto something. Yes, right? I know. You and I are like – we’re on the same…
hugging and dancing. Something else I thought was so wonderful. Building off this idea of purging and pruning
and cultivating your garden is, deciding, you know, what we should let go of. And one of the parts I highlighted was, “you
have the core four to figure out what we might be ready to let go of.” And so these questions, I’m gonna cover
three of them. You have to check out the book for the rest. “Who am I holding on to by attracting people
that don’t serve my highest good?” Next one, “what do I gain by remaining stuck
in the same situation or circumstance?” That’s always a powerful question. And I love this third one that I’m gonna
share. Again, there’s more in the book. “How have I constructed my life to follow
other people’s rules?” That one was the one I was like highlight
that one, put a star on it, circle it. And for anyone listening, write this one down. It’s a great question.  “How have I constructed my life to follow
other people’s rules?” So good, Latham. How’s that one affected you, that last one? You know, I think that when I was younger
… you spoke about it a little bit earlier when you said “the pleasing.” Right? This sickness that’s seeded in us at an
early age around basically automating our responses based on other people’s level
of comfort. A way of life that really strangles us from
being in our truth because we don’t want to upset other people at the expense of our own
well being or our own truth. So I think that – and this is everybody
who is breathing that deals with this in some way, shape, or form in their lives. And I think that sometimes it starts with
like parents or school teachers or people that you sort of look up to, aspire, or hope
love you that you place a lot of what they think or see in you as part of what you determine
for yourself and what a life could be. And we have to at a certain point just grow
up and get grown, like sista girl grown. Like really grow up and stop looking to that
rubric. Like looking to what other people set out
for you, what they see in you, and what do you see in you? You know? Like, we have to stop looking at our status
or our feed for validation. Stop checking what other people are doing
for validation. Check your pulse. Are you here? Are you alive? Are you thriving? What are you doing in your life? Right? Be in tune and attuned to what’s happening
with you. And I think that we’re so taught to turn
away from our bodies, to turn away from our feelings, to sublimate them so that we can
achieve these goals that were set out for us even sometimes before we were born. Maybe stories that we’re fulfilling for
other people and their sense of self worth. And so we become almost like, you know, trophies
or – yeah. We become like trophies for people. If we don’t live our lives in the way that
we’re meant to and we live our lives through the lens of other people’s rules or other
people’s expectations of us, we’re not fulfilled. Even like you said, if you have all the success
in the world in doing something, it is not what you want to be doing, you will not be
happy. You just won’t be. You won’t be dancing like Marie in these
videos every week. Okay? So if you want to be dancing, if you want
to be happy, if you want to feel fulfilled, if you want to have, you know, serendipity
and like beautiful people in your life and feel like what everyone talks about is like
this blessed existence and this kinda like, “Oh, my God. All these things are so synchronous that are
happening,” like, that is because you’re living in truth, right, that these things
happen. And so when you feel – when you get to this
place where you’re like, “you know what? I’m so sick of doing this over here, trying
to live through this lens, trying to do these things that I was taught were so important,”
then you get pissed enough, right, to push the boundaries. When you start to see that you’re encased. Right? That there was like a ceiling for what was
possible for you or maybe even boundaries around what people probably didn’t even want
you to know you were capable of doing other things. And you start to push that, bust through that,
and really understand the greatness of who you are and who you could become. You know, we’re really becoming. This is an opportunity as women for us to
explore like really who we can be, like as we continue to allow ourselves to evolve and
peel back our layers of vulnerability to expose who we really are. Not who people want us to be. And so for me, I think my upbringing of having
a mom who was really strong who protected us who’s like, you know, a fierce lioness,
you know, I didn’t have to defend myself because she was always the one standing up for me,
rolling up to the school. Whatever it was, like, my mom was coming,
people were gonna get – like, it was gonna be a problem. I don’t wanna curse, but it was gonna be a
problem. If my mom came to the school, you have a problems. If you’re messing with me you have problems. So I didn’t ever have to defend myself. And so then it came a time where I remember
there was a couple of times in my life where I was in a position where I had to like put
on my big girl underwear and, you know, my panty power suit and basically stand up for
myself and be like, “you know, wait a minute. I don’t wanna disrupt this person’s feelings
or hurt them or make them think” – and I had to go through that and be like, “You
know what, Latham? Like, you’re the one who’s upset in the
situation. You’re the one who’s hurting in the situation. You’re the one who’s suffering. You’re the one who needs to speak up. Right? People can’t read your mind.” So I had to start defending myself. And then I remember in some pivotal experiences
in my life, you know, definitely around the separation of my son’s father and I, where
that’s really when I learned how to use my voice as well. And I would also say the birth of my son and
using, you know, my voice in the birth and having this beautiful experience, but, you
know, I also was awakened as a woman in that process too. So I think it’s been like a journey but
definitely there was moments in my life where I was thrust out of this safety net of, you
know, security and being the sweet person that doesn’t want to ruffle feathers. Like, that is gone. And the days of like people living in that
way are gone, because you cannot live your life based on other people’s expectations. Eventually if you’re not – if you’re
a robot, probably so. But if you’re not a robot, eventually something’s
gonna piss you off enough that you’re gonna bust at the seams and the real you that you
didn’t even realize was in there, like waiting for her turn, she ain’t gonna wait for her
turn no longer. She’s gonna come out and then all of a sudden
people are gonna see like all of the fierce, feminine, fiery energy that you have pent
up inside that you could’ve been using to fortify your business. You could have been using to speak truth and
power. You could’ve been using to lift other people. You could’ve been using to seek your dream,
but you were too busy trying to make sure other people were happy. Yes. Yes. No, I love it. Latham, this is just – you’re amazing. I adore you, as you know. I want to thank you. I adore you. Thank you for doing the work that you do in
the world. Every time I’m around you I feel like I
stand taller. My eyes are open brighter and you just have
a magical sense about you when I’m in your presence. I always feel like more is possible. So thank you for making the time to be with
us today. I want to close up on something that you wrote,
because I think it’s a brilliant twist on a phrase that I’ve never quite liked, but
you turned it around and I love it. You know, the popular phrase “fake it till
you make it.” And you have the twist that’s “faith it
till you make it.” So for everyone out there, whether they’re
in a place that’s really difficult right now and they don’t know how they’re gonna
get out, or they’re at the beginning of a big, new dream, a new chapter in their life,
tell us a little something about “faithing it until you make it.” Yeah. You know, it’s like there is nothing fake
about you. Like, everything about you is real. You’re here in the flesh. You’re magic, but you’re also real. And your journey and everything about it,
be it smooth, be it bumpy, be it twisty, turvey, and complicated, it’s your own. And this arc of your life is your own. Nobody else has it. Nobody else can fulfill it. And so on the other end of it is everything,
I believe, is everything that you’ve ever wanted should you seek to expand yourself
enough, to have the courage, to get there. And the universe rewards courage. I believe that. So you have to have the faith, number one,
F-A-I-T-H, faith, to take the journey. You have to have the faith to not be able
to necessarily see where you’re going but only see enough to be able to order your steps
one in front of the other. And you have to have the risk friendliness
also to be able to move in the direction of what is possible without even seeing the entire
landscape of possibility. So part of it is like obscured. Right? So if you see – when you’re looking forward
you have peripheral vision, but you don’t have eyes behind your head. Right? So you can only see a little bit of what’s
out there, but then the rest you fill in with imagination. The rest you fill in with faith. The rest you fill in with love and you boost
it with your faith. Right? So I believe that each of us is encoded like
a little seed, we were talking about earlier. With everything that you need to get you through
in life. I believe that when you’re born you’re
born on a mission. And there’s a lot of stuff that happens
to us along our journeys that keep us off. That move us off course. But it’s our job and the people, the earth
angels, that you encounter in your life, your mentors, people like Marie, the people that
you faithfully listen to, the programs that you do, all these people and all of this wisdom
is angelic. Because it helps you to move back, to stay
on course. This is all really important to help you also
restore your faith in what’s possible for you. Now, you have to take actions every day. You have to keep walking one foot in front
of the other. Even in the times that feel really difficult. Even when you can’t see the other side. You have to walk with the lantern of light
that is your faith. Right? And that’s what’s gonna keep you going along
with the purpose that’s thriving inside of you. So that’s how you get to someplace. Not being fake and then pretending until you
make it. Because there’s nothing to pretend. Like, we’re becoming. So you’re not fake because you aren’t
there yet, you are fashioning yourself in the way that you need to become so that when
you get to the other side you’re ready. Like, how a caterpillar is eating and, you
know, crawling around and looking cute and then all of a sudden one day it decides it’s
ready and then spins itself a chrysalis and hangs out in there and then emerges as a butterfly. Like, on faith. Right? It just knows what to do, but it knows exactly
when and it follows these steps and it just knows. It has an inner knowing and it moves on that. Right? So we have to move in this same way. Right? Not letting our minds get the best of us and
talk us out of doing things. Not letting people get the best of you and
talk you out of doing something that you’ve always wanted to do. But keep the faith. And so the part of that is engaging in dialogue,
in systems, in podcasts like Marie’s, in books like Own Your Glow to help as resources
so that you keep that faith strong as you take the journey towards living the life of
your dreams. Beautiful. Latham, thank you so much for taking the time
today, especially when you’re out on speaking tour, which I know is a lot. If people want to find out more about the
book obviously y’all go get it on Amazon. But what’s the best website where folks
can find you? I think for now just go to,
because everything about the book is there. Everything about like tour dates is there. And then also I’m on Instagram and I’m
pretty good about following up with people at Glow Maven. Beautiful. Latham, thank you so very much. I adore you. I adore you. Have a great rest of the time on the tour. And for everyone listening, thank you so much. We’ll talk to you soon. B-School is coming up, want in? For more info and free training go to join

26 thoughts on “Latham Thomas: How To Prioritize Play & Self-Care

  1. Marie you have so many awesome and helpful interviews. Thank you for encouraging us to achieve wonderful things.
    Love ya! 😘

  2. Hey Marie, I have been watching you about 3 months now. I love your channel. It's the first time I'm listing to your broadcast, I know this is the moment think but I enjoy more the videos. Is good to see you with all your energy, I could feel this on the broadcast.

  3. I needed this! Validation that I need to leave my husband and not be worried about becoming a single parent statistic. I’ve been encased in this relationship for far too long. I am strong, I am driven, I’m a good person and I will survive!

  4. I needed this! Validation that I need to leave my husband and not be worried about becoming a single parent statistic. I’ve been encased in this relationship for far too long. I am strong, I am driven, I’m a good person and I will survive!

  5. Hi Marie thank you for your persistent encouragement…sense of empowerment that you are throwing is truly effective..

  6. Love this! I didn't find my voice until I left a toxic work environment. Unfortunately, I walked away from friends and a job that I loved, but I feel so much better now and have found that sometimes you have to establish certain boundaries with certain individuals in the beginning before things get out of hand. "You teach people how to treat you." -Oprah

  7. I really, really, really need this. I have two jobs, I'm in university, and I'm taking a 1-year course that's 6 hours per week day. I feel like all the time I have is to sleep. I even lose the will to eat and take care of myself. The problem is that I know that we need to be good to ourselves in order to do good to the outside. Very interesting podcast.

  8. I totally understand this. But do we let go of a job that we don't feel connected to and risk not having income? I have worked to enjoy work no matter what anyone else says or does and I am better at it. But it's toxic and it's a daily reminder I have to give myself over and over to keep my center. Which I don't always do, I just want out. So which is the best self-care? Leaving or having income?

  9. Great interview! I just listened to Latham on the Support Is Sexy podcast a week ago and loved it. Such a pleasant surprise to find that you now have an interview with her too. Such a lovely energy you both have <3

  10. This vid is really encouraging. It can be hard to let toxic negative people in your life go especially when they've been there for so long. And also at a certain age I feel like it's hard to make friends. I'm not in college anymore so I'm not constantly surrounded by new people.

  11. Listen listen listen listen especially to the part at 25:00 all women of the world need to reclaim their time and reclaim their power from the people pleasing conditioning!!!

  12. People can’t read my mind is a simple but huge and a good reminder. I can’t get what I want if I don’t ask for it.

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